{"id":597,"date":"2019-05-16T19:20:26","date_gmt":"2019-05-16T17:20:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hisstoryantiques.nl.transurl.nl\/?p=597"},"modified":"2019-05-20T12:26:22","modified_gmt":"2019-05-20T10:26:22","slug":"qui-sont-ils","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/fr\/2019\/05\/16\/wie-zijn-het\/","title":{"rendered":"Qui sont-ils ?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Quelques jours se sont d\u00e9j\u00e0 \u00e9coul\u00e9s dans le cadre de notre recherche sur l'origine des portraits. Les cadres ont \u00e9t\u00e9 trait\u00e9s avec pr\u00e9caution. Ils ont \u00e9t\u00e9 nettoy\u00e9s et les petits dommages ont \u00e9t\u00e9 retouch\u00e9s. Les cadres sont d'une qualit\u00e9 exceptionnelle. Cela se voit particuli\u00e8rement au dos. Ils ont \u00e9t\u00e9 fabriqu\u00e9s en bois dur par un artisan. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"992\" height=\"1024\" data-attachment-id=\"615\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/fr\/20190503_111705-3\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_111705-2-e1558023141569.jpg?fit=2197%2C2268&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"2197,2268\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"Achterzijde portret\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Achterzijde portret&lt;\/p&gt;\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;Achterzijde portret&lt;\/p&gt;\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_111705-2-e1558023141569.jpg?fit=992%2C1024&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl.transurl.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_111705-2-e1558023141569-992x1024.jpg?resize=992%2C1024\" alt=\"Dos du portrait\" class=\"wp-image-615\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_111705-2-e1558023141569.jpg?resize=992%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 992w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_111705-2-e1558023141569.jpg?resize=1488%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1488w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_111705-2-e1558023141569.jpg?resize=1984%2C2048&amp;ssl=1 1984w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_111705-2-e1558023141569.jpg?resize=12%2C12&amp;ssl=1 12w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_111705-2-e1558023141569.jpg?resize=291%2C300&amp;ssl=1 291w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_111705-2-e1558023141569.jpg?resize=768%2C793&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_111705-2-e1558023141569.jpg?resize=600%2C619&amp;ssl=1 600w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_111705-2-e1558023141569.jpg?resize=300%2C310&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 992px) 100vw, 992px\" \/><figcaption>Dos du portrait<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" style=\"text-align:left\"> Au dos se trouvent \u00e9galement les \u00e9tiquettes avec les coordonn\u00e9es de l'encadreur :  <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" style=\"text-align:center\">Encadrements et dorure sur bois<br><strong>J. Genis, Fabricant<\/strong><br>10a, rue de Lenglentier, 10a<br>Bruxelles (Midi)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" data-attachment-id=\"614\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/fr\/20190503_111717-2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_111717-1-e1558023724103.jpg?fit=2560%2C1920&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"2560,1920\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"Label lijstenmaker\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Label lijstenmaker&lt;\/p&gt;\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;Label lijstenmaker&lt;\/p&gt;\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_111717-1-e1558023724103.jpg?fit=1024%2C768&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl.transurl.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_111717-1-e1558023724103-1024x768.jpg?resize=1024%2C768\" alt=\"Encadreur\" class=\"wp-image-614\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_111717-1-e1558023724103.jpg?resize=1024%2C768&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_111717-1-e1558023724103.jpg?resize=1536%2C1152&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_111717-1-e1558023724103.jpg?resize=2048%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_111717-1-e1558023724103.jpg?resize=16%2C12&amp;ssl=1 16w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_111717-1-e1558023724103.jpg?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_111717-1-e1558023724103.jpg?resize=768%2C576&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_111717-1-e1558023724103.jpg?resize=600%2C450&amp;ssl=1 600w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_111717-1-e1558023724103.jpg?w=2340&amp;ssl=1 2340w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption>Encadreur<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Malheureusement, il n'y a aucune information \u00e0 retrouver sur cet encadreur. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ensuite, on trouve sur les deux portraits des armoiries familiales dans le coin sup\u00e9rieur gauche. Cela doit constituer un point de d\u00e9part pour identifier les personnes repr\u00e9sent\u00e9es. Les armoiries comportent toutes deux une couronne au-dessus du blason. Le monsieur a une couronne ordinaire et la dame a un casque de chevalier surmont\u00e9 d'une couronne de la m\u00eame forme. Selon l'h\u00e9raldique, il s'agit des couronnes d'un comte et d'une comtesse. Cela rend la chose int\u00e9ressante. \u00c9tant donn\u00e9 les portraits, il doit s'agir de personnes de tr\u00e8s haute noble naissance. Les armoiries le confirment.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-gallery aligncenter columns-2 is-cropped wp-block-gallery-1 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\"><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" height=\"1024\" width=\"768\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"613\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/fr\/20190503_112726\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_112726-e1560342864396.jpg?fit=1088%2C1229&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1088,1229\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"Familiewapen dame\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Familiewapen dame&lt;\/p&gt;\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;Familiewapen dame&lt;\/p&gt;\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_112726-e1560342864396.jpg?fit=907%2C1024&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl.transurl.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_112726-e1558023830160-768x1024.jpg?resize=768%2C1024\" alt=\"Armoiries d&#039;une dame\" data-id=\"613\" data-link=\"http:\/\/hisstoryantiques.nl.transurl.nl\/20190503_112726\/\" class=\"wp-image-613\"\/><figcaption>Armoiries d'une dame<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/li><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" height=\"1024\" width=\"768\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"612\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/fr\/20190503_112730\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_112730-e1560330908554.jpg?fit=1441%2C1703&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1441,1703\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"20190503_112730\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Familiewapen heer&lt;\/p&gt;\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;Familiewapen heer&lt;\/p&gt;\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_112730-e1560330908554.jpg?fit=866%2C1024&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/hisstoryantiques.nl.transurl.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/20190503_112730-e1558022951493-768x1024.jpg?resize=768%2C1024\" alt=\"Armoiries familiales, seigneur\" data-id=\"612\" data-link=\"http:\/\/hisstoryantiques.nl.transurl.nl\/20190503_112730\/\" class=\"wp-image-612\"\/><figcaption>Armoiries familiales, seigneur<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">On peut voir deux armoiries (\u00e9cussons). Il s'agit de ce que l'on appelle des armoiries d'alliance. De telles armoiries \u00e9taient utilis\u00e9es par des conjoints. Ceci est confirm\u00e9 par le fait que l'\u00e9cusson de droite est rond. Il s'agit des armoiries de l'\u00e9pouse. Selon l'h\u00e9raldique, c'est l'usage. Nous avons donc d\u00e9j\u00e0 tir\u00e9 un certain nombre d'\u00e9l\u00e9ments des portraits :<br>\u2013 ce sont des gens de la noblesse (un comte et une comtesse)<br>\u2013 Ils sont mari\u00e9s. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Mais qui sont-ils ? Cela devrait pouvoir se d\u00e9duire des armoiries. L'\u00e9cu de gauche est celui du monsieur et l'\u00e9cu de droite est celui de la dame. Sur l'\u00e9cu de gauche figurent une fasce et deux losanges. Sur l'\u00e9cu de droite figure un lion rouge avec quelque chose de crois\u00e9 au-dessus. Ce n'est pas tout \u00e0 fait clair pour moi de quoi il s'agit. On dirait bien des r\u00e2teaux. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Il est impossible de savoir qui sont les personnes repr\u00e9sent\u00e9es. Nous avons parcouru presque tout Internet, mais sans aucun r\u00e9sultat concret. Ce qui a toutefois frapp\u00e9, c'est que pour chaque r\u00e9sultat de recherche, le site Web <a href=\"https:\/\/cbg.nl\/\">www.cbg.nl<\/a> monte. Le CBG est le Centre de l'histoire des familles. Ce centre dispose de tr\u00e8s nombreuses sources telles que des armoiries et des arbres g\u00e9n\u00e9alogiques. Il me semble que c'est l'endroit id\u00e9al pour chercher. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Le principal point de rep\u00e8re est constitu\u00e9 par les blasons familiaux. Il faut donc chercher imm\u00e9diatement dans la base de donn\u00e9es des blasons. Mais comment d\u00e9crire un blason ? Cela demande un peu de connaissances en h\u00e9raldique. Malheureusement, je n'en ai pas, je vais donc devoir me pencher sur la question. Il y a suffisamment de sites web qui donnent des explications. O\u00f9 en serions-nous sans Internet ? Apr\u00e8s un peu d'approfondissement, je peux reconna\u00eetre une fasce sur le blason de gauche. Il ne reste plus qu'\u00e0 saisir cela dans le champ de recherche du site web. <a href=\"https:\/\/cbgfamiliewapens.nl\/\">https:\/\/cbgfamiliewapens.nl\/<\/a>. 4,050 r\u00e9sultats ! Il doit bien y avoir quelque chose d'utile l\u00e0-dedans. Le blason comporte \u00e9galement deux carreaux en haut. Ajoutons donc cela aux mots-cl\u00e9s. 142 r\u00e9sultats ! Cela rend les choses un peu plus faciles. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Mais parmi ces 142 r\u00e9sultats, je vois beaucoup de ressemblances mais pas l'image exacte du bouclier. Dois-je le d\u00e9crire autrement ? Je ne saurais pas comment. J'ai essay\u00e9 plusieurs options de recherche, mais sans r\u00e9sultat satisfaisant. Je dois malheureusement abandonner apr\u00e8s des jours de recherche. J'ai besoin de plus d'aide, mais comment ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Puis je me fais une r\u00e9flexion. Pourquoi est-ce que je n'enverrais pas un courriel audacieux au CBG ? Demander ne co\u00fbte rien, n'est-ce pas ? Ayant pris mon courage \u00e0 deux mains, j'ai finalement envoy\u00e9 un courriel poli avec des photos au CBG. Je suis curieux de savoir s'ils voudront aider. Plus qu'\u00e0 attendre nerveusement\u2026\u2026\u2026\u2026.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>We zijn al weer een paar dagen verder met ons onderzoek naar de herkomst van de portretten. De lijsten zijn voorzichtig onder handen genomen. Deze zijn schoon gemaakt en de kleine beschadigingen bijgewerkt. De lijsten zijn van uitzonderlijke kwaliteit. Dit zie je vooral aan de achterzijde. Deze zijn door een vakman gemaakt van hardhout. 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